Family Business Insights
Leadership, Fathers And Matriarchs: An Interview With Amy Hart Clyne
FWR recently sat down with a book author and thought leader to explore women's perspectives on business leadership, the dynamics of wealthy families, and more.
Joe Reilly, a regular writer in these pages, interviews Amy Hart Clyne, author of Finding Her Voice and Creating a Legacy, with Dennis Jaffe. (She is also chief knowledge officer and learning officer at Pitcairn. They talk about women’s leadership styles, how fathers can encourage leadership in their daughters and the status of the term matriarch.
Joe Reilly: Could you briefly describe the
book?
Amy Hart Clyne: Women today hold leadership positions worldwide
in government and business, yet in ultra-high net worth families,
they far too often remain in the background, hindered by
longstanding conventions and complex intergenerational dynamics.
We might see these women’s names in a news story or connected to
philanthropy, but we don’t really know who they are. With
Finding Her Voice and Creating a Legacy, we set out to
uncover their voices and celebrate their unique perspectives and
contributions to their families. This book and the underlying
research which offers a fuller, deeper, and richer picture of
wealthy families, comes at a time when women's roles are changing
at an exponential pace. This book is ultimately a celebration of
women as leaders and of the fact that they have found their own
way and their own path. It’s been a hard road, but these women
have done it and we’re proud to share their stories.
How did it come about?
I didn’t set out to write a book. Two situations pointed me in
this direction. During my first year as a Pitcairn leader, I
found that the final decision-makers of new client families were
the family matriarch and I thought that was wonderful, even
remarkable. I wanted to better understand that. And second, this
work really grew from a conversation I had with Pitcairn’s CEO
Leslie Voth about providing service and support to women of
wealth and how they needed something different than men. So, I
started doing some research that would help us better understand
the role women play in very wealthy families and what that means
for Pitcairn and society at large. As I spent more time on it and
spoke to more and more women, the more obvious it became that
these were stories that needed to be told so that others could
benefit from the lessons these women learned the hard way.
What was your process? How did you conduct the
interviews?
The research methodology was both anthropological and cultural
rather than data driven. We chose a mix of women, only a small
handful were Pitcairn clients. Several dozen women of
considerable means participated in deeply personal and private
conversations with my co-author, Dennis Jaffe and me. They told
us about how they came to wealth, their role in the family, the
obstacles they overcame, and how they prepared the next
generations while striving to sustain family connections and
family harmony.
Who are today’s women of wealth?
We spoke to women who were an active part of their wealth
creation, as well as women who inherited their wealth from a
previous generation. Our research found that hampered by outdated
stereotypes, some of the most important family voices in some of
the world’s most influential families have been sidelined or
silenced.
What is the status of the title “matriarch?”
In this book, these women family leaders, regardless of age, are
identified as the “new matriarchs” who are challenging
traditional gender roles. They haven’t completely shunned the
traditional matriarchal construct, but are reshaping it as
caretakers and corporate leaders, family stewards and financial
stakeholders. They are advocates and models of greater equality,
as well as examples of what women’s sensitivity and gender
experience can bring to family leadership.
The New Matriarch is a woman who forges her own path in advancing the financial success, culture, and values of her family with a focus on partnering with her spouse and preparing her children for a life of passion, purpose, and family harmony.
These pioneering women are breaking longstanding barriers of communication and connection and rewriting the rules of leadership with a focus on family and the future in the process.
How are today’s women reshaping traditional dynamics in
multi-gen families?
One common thread among all the women we spoke to was their
emphasis on relationships. The women we spoke to really focused
on the incredibly ambitious and essential task of creating
threads between business and family and across generations. They
served as bridge builders and connectors, and saw alignment and
connection as keys to success. They believe the family enterprise
is something to be shared and used wisely.
Additionally, they took on the role of family culture innovator. They were creators of an inclusive and fair family culture. They were concerned with opening the paths for other family members to participate, and they felt family wealth has a purpose to support everyone in the family fairly.
They have gotten more comfortable with and have found great conviction in their leadership style. We found that they were often leaders that used soft power and influence rather than domination. Dennis and I concluded that these women often shun the limelight of visible leadership, instead preferring to lead more quietly and behind the scenes. They seek to influence rather than overpower or force others into acquiescence.
How did you find women are dealing with unequal
partnerships?
I think the specifics differ from family to family, but nearly
every woman I spoke to mentioned in some way how they are active
in challenging the traditional roles that have so often limited
women’s horizons. They were leaders who had to generally overcome
more pitfalls, challenges, and hurdles than their male
counterparts that resulted in unequal partnerships. They had
inner confidence to overcome obstacles without acrimony. They had
to drive and navigate their family’s evolution to acceptance of
women in key leadership roles. And, as a result, they displayed
self-confidence and a feeling of personal efficacy and drive
early in life, and this confidence allows them to feel
comfortable as innovators and pioneers. These women want to show
the upcoming female youth that they are more than capable of
having their own respected careers and passions.
How can fathers encourage leadership in their
daughters?
At a recent families of wealth peer group session I facilitated,
I was especially delighted to observe how many fathers were in
attendance as they chose to be “learners” to better support their
daughters as future family business leaders. They viewed their
daughters as individuals with their own strengths, weaknesses,
passions, and abilities, and wanted to support possible entry
into the family enterprise.
They were cognizant of the fact that they needed to throw away old ideas and gender stereotypes, and instead embrace and encourage their daughters to be future leaders. Being there for their daughters, listening to their ideas, and feeling the passion they have while expressing those ideas will only help lift them up. When you have the constant support of a family member, it goes a long way. I found their participation to be particularly inspiring and hopeful.
How do women get out from the shadow of their family and
come into their own? You mention women “face gentle winds of
traditional expectations?”
It all comes back to breaking through ingrained gender
stereotypes.
When one of the women in the book went to talk to her grandfather about college, his response was along the lines of, “What in the world do you want all that education for? You’re just going to get married and have babies.” So, she paid for it herself and went off and built a life for herself in an area where no one knew her family. But eventually she was asked to become the family’s financial leader after her brother, who had been running the family office, made some poor financial decisions.
In another case, the woman’s family owned a bank, but it was just assumed that her brother would succeed their father there. The reality was she had more of an aptitude and passion for banking and eventually became the CEO while her brother went off to run another family business.
In both cases, these women pressed on with great intentionality, committed to finding a role in the family enterprise in which they would be successful, add value to the enterprise, and find a sense of personal satisfaction that wasn’t traditionally offered to them.
How are women’s leadership styles transforming family
businesses?
Old money often comes with old values and several of the women I
spoke with found themselves faced with the incredible task of
challenging these longstanding norms including gender traditions,
birth order, and family hierarchy, from the inside. Women’s
evolving roles have a social and political component – women’s
suffrage, co-education, and entry into formerly gender-segregated
careers – and change of that kind takes time. However, the
actions of these female leaders show how a trend can move from
societal opportunity to family reality.