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INTERVIEW: A Life Aboard Ship As A Way To Solve US Visa Blockages On Start-Ups

The
West Coast of the US is renowned for its tech start-ups and
entrepreneurial flair but even by these standards, the idea of
creating a
new “sea-stead” community for businesses off the California coast
is
audacious.
A project known as
Blueseed
intends, as described on its website, to “station a ship 12
nautical
miles from the coast of San Francisco, in international waters”.
It
continues: “The location will allow start-up entrepreneurs from
anywhere
in the world to start or grow their company near Silicon
Valley,
without the need for a US work visa. The ship will be converted
into a
co-working and co-living space, and will have high-speed internet
access
and daily transportation to the mainland via ferry boat. So far,
over
1,000 entrepreneurs from 60-plus countries expressed interest in
living
on the ship. The project is backed by PayPal founder and Facebook
early
investor Peter Thiel.”
That’s impressive but like all such ventures, the devil is in
the
legal and political detail. There have been attempts, of varying
success
and failure in the past to create such “new jurisdictions”. Only
a few
weeks ago, the world was reminded that such ventures can still
appear
when the self-styled Prince Roy of Sealand, otherwise known as
Roy
Bates, died at the age of 91 after having created, back in the
late 60s,
his own micro-jurisdiction on an abandoned anti-aircraft tower
off the
UK’s East Anglia coast.
One issue is that at a time when offshore jurisdictions have
been
pressured by other nations for their status as so-called tax
havens, no
such location can afford to be seen as a place where people hide
money.
And the US, with its worldwide approach in taxing US citizens,
is
particularly assertive. As a result, any "jurisdiction
entrepreneurs"
need to be very mindful of national and international law.
As far as Blueseed’s founders are concerned, there is nothing
utopian
about its venture. Also, the desire to foster entrepreneurship at
a
time when immigration visas have been squeezed by recent US
administrations is an issue of direct relevance to the US
wealth
management industry. Today’s rookie businessmen and women
could
hopefully be tomorrow’s high net worth or ultra HNW individuals.
So with
this thought in mind, Family Wealth Report recently
visited San Francisco and spoke to
Max Marty, chief executive, to find out more.
What, in general terms, is the Blueseed venture intending to do?
Blueseed will enable a thousand of the world's best high-tech
entrepreneurs to pursue their startups in a community tailored to
their
success and located within the broader Silicon Valley ecosystem.
The
community will include living and workspace, and will be located
just
off the coast of the San Francisco bay area, on a vessel in
international waters.
How serious a problem is the inability of entrepreneurs and investors to enter the US?
Entrepreneurs are the engines of growth, and Silicon Valley is
the
most fertile soil in the world to raise the next high-tech game
changing
companies. This makes for a great combination. However the US
is
hobbled with an antiquated immigration system that was never
designed
for this sort of world. Because of this, many great people, great
ideas,
and great advances are being left on the table. If this problem
had
been remedied a decade ago, the technology industry today would
probably
be years ahead of where it currently stands.
Describe the reaction of the private sector at home and abroad to Blueseed
There has been much excitement from start-ups and
entrepreneurs
around the world, as well as the larger established players in
the
high-tech industry. Over 300 companies and a thousand
entrepreneurs from
sixty two different countries have already expressed interest in
being
aboard. The Blueseed venture has been called one of the most
innovative
solutions to a difficult problem that has ever come out of
Silicon
Valley, and I hope that we can inspire the next generation of
entrepreneurs to similarly think outside the box.
What is the main argument that you present to lawmakers
and
other policymakers about Blueseed as an important venture? What
has been
the reaction so far?
Legislators and others have been very interested in the potential
for
job growth that Blueseed could bring. The high-tech sector is
the
fastest growing and most vibrant part of the US and global
economy. Once
our start-up tenants have outgrown our facilities, many of
these
companies will choose to continue their growth in Silicon Valley
proper,
and this is a very enticing proposition for legislators during
a
recession.
What is the genesis of Blueseed?
Blueseed was born from my own desire to find a solution to the
lack
of an entrepreneurial visa, and from my background at "The
Seasteading
Institute". (This is a non-profit project devoted to studying
the
conditions under which communities at sea can someday materialize
as
test-beds for new ideas and ways of living.)
Who has driven this project?
Funding this project will take numerous steps and we are still
early
in the journey. We've secured early financial commitments from
investors
both in Silicon Valley and abroad, but this is an area we're
actively
and vigorously pursuing.
When do you expect to reach sufficient funding support to take the project fully live?
Funding is always difficult to predict, but we expect to complete
our
most important fundraising goals by the middle of next year.
How many people have expressed an interest in coming “on board” so far? Where are they from?
Exactly 1,054 entrepreneurs from 320 startups in 62 different
countries have expressed interest in joining our community. The
US
itself makes up about a quarter of the interest: US entrepreneurs
see
this as a great stepping stone to launch and get traction. The
next
countries in order of number of startups are India (9.7 per
cent), the
UK (5.3 per cent), Australia (4.7 per cent), Canada (4.4 per
cent),
Spain (3.8 per cent), and Brazil (2.8 per cent), with the
remaining ~50
per cent coming from all over the world. I don't think there will
be a
more geographically diverse permanent community in
existence.
What have been the main obstacles and problems you have had to confront?
We have two primary obstacles. First, as this is a very
different
idea from any other start-up, it's finding the right
investors who are
looking to diversify and reach into new fields. Second, it's the
large
up-front capital expense, which forces us to do our fundraising
before
launching, a challenge similar to companies like TESLA or SpaceX
have
faced in the past.
There is constant change in the world of onshore/offshore jurisdictions – how do you see Blueseed as part of that?
I believe Blueseed will spearhead a new approach. What sets us
apart
from many others is that we are highly transparent, strongly
connected
with the politics and players in the world's fastest growing
industry
(high-tech), and we appeal to a broad and diverse audience of
people who
genuinely want to see new ways to tackle old problems. I believe
it is
this broad appeal and transparency that will get copied and tried
in
other jurisdictional experiments around the world in the years to
come,
hopefully with the same care and conscience.
How concerned are you that the authorities in Washington might just regard BlueSeed as an “offshore” community?
Thus far we've had very good reactions from all levels of
government,
from local to federal. Given the nature of our business model and
our
determination to proactively address any concerns, I believe we
will
have a very positive relationship with all relevant political
bodies.
What particular benefits might the wealth management/financial sector see in BlueSeed and related ventures?
From the investor's point of view, Blueseed is fundamentally
a
platform to enable the creation of new investment opportunities.
In and
of itself, Blueseed will be hosting hundreds of start-ups at any
given
time and giving investors who closely associate themselves with
Blueseed
ground-floor access to opportunities many of their colleagues
have no
access to. More broadly, Blueseed will likely spawn a new
generation of
companies looking to address existing problems through the use
of
offshore communities. Each of these will also represent new
opportunities to diversify one's investments both geographically
and by
industry.
What, if any, precedents are there for this sort of venture? What lessons have been learned from others that have been tried?
There have been attempts, with mixed success, to create
permanent
communities and jurisdictions at sea. Naturally the best examples
of
these communities at sea would come from the oil industry, and
the best
examples of new jurisdictions would probably be the experiment
called
"Sealand" off the UK's coast. Naturally these examples are also
quite
different from our own, but they do show life at sea for
extended
durations is feasible. The cruise line industry has taken this
life at
sea and made it a wonderful place to reside, if at least for
shorter
durations of time. Perhaps the closest example to us in existence
today
is "Residensea", the luxury vessel where many of the world's
wealthiest
can purchase a residence and travel the world.
And finally, how does Blueseed fit in with the general idea of “seasteading”?
I would consider Blueseed the first significant seasteading endeavor ever launched.